Wednesday 10 January 2018

Cow Urine, Medicine and Deracination

Cow urine has medicinal properties. We use it in ayurveda. We have used it in the village.
Many deracinated intellectuals of this land are rolling off their chairs in laughter on hearing this.
The day Stanford validates this in a paper they will all start clambering back onto the chairs they kicked away. And start writing about its glories.
Never saw a more servile community than the western educated indian. Utterly lacking in intellectual ability, or intellectual integrity or self confidence or pride.




Amalorpavanathan Joseph I am a deracinated (whatever that means) individual. I look for evidence. The village where I worked, the dhai used to cut umbilical cord with dirty hands.I taught her simple hand hygiene and gave her sterile blades from my PHC. Yes .I am a deracinated(whatever it means) individual
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Aparna Krishnan Deracination is a deep prejudice against all that emerges from the soil of the land. Ayurveda, Jallikattu, village lore.

Deracination is a loss of faith in the land.


To have roots has never meant to not see and correct all the wrongs. It is to have the understanding that there are deep strengths along with wrongs that will creep into every system. It Is to seek to validate all that is good, and question all that needs to be questioned, with ones own roots firm.
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Aparna Krishnan Deracination is the horror from many 'educated Indians' when the TN government prescribes a time tested Siddha medicine during the dengue epidemic.
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Jagannath Chatterjee That was not exactly deracination. It was insecurity. They cannot tolerate the fact that holistic systems are the real systems and that they are slowly but steadily taking over.
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph I opposed.You are against all test but now you say "time tested"? When and where was it tested? What was the result? How many survived and his many died? How is it superior to another native concoction Payaya leave juice? 
I have seen children dying 
before my eyes. The parents brought these children after giving Nilavembu etc. 11 month old child , Nilavembu for 3 days , fights a ventilator for 7 days and then succumbs......
And now...... your favourite" deracination " (whatever it means)
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Aparna Krishnan Ayurveda is being practiced very succesfully and quietly in many places. We have personally spent many years with one of the finest doctors. Nilavembu has stood us and our village in good stead thro' most fevers. Anecdotal, but our family has not used an allopathic medicine for all fevers inclufing typhoid. For over two decades. Villages are still substantially serviced by indian systems of treatment. All this is happenning despite a heavy policy level slant away from it. And the practitioners cannot divert themselves to building up statistical studies for disbelievers. the disbelievers may create their own studies. People at large are rooted, and are happy to follow ayurveda and siddha., and thats what matters.
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph You are perfectly at liberty to follow whatever you like; and I will attend on every complication at whatever stage they come.And I have seen so many new born with umbilical sepsis because for 2000 damn years none told the dhais to wash their hands properly before conducting delivery. I have seen the severest form of untouchability and stupid superstition all in the form if tradition. There was this lady with leucoderma almost treated as an untouchable in the village I worked.Again godamn tradition. None of those wise traditional doctirs in that village had the sense to tell the villagers that it is not contagious. I had this lady cook food for me for about a year .Sge was in tears when I left that village.
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Aparna Krishnan Hate everything local and traditional = Deracination.
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Aparna Krishnan Validate and strengthen that which is wise, question that which needs to be questioned, while rooted in respect = Rootedness.
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Aparna Krishnan I suggest you live in a village before concluding that they are lnarroe minded and superstitious'. Visisting a village' will only reinforce prejudices. Immersing is needed.

Anyway its fine, i have no interest in converting anyone.
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph Hate untouchability, hate blind superstition, hate male supremacy in every village, hate uppercase domination in every village,Yes.I am that deracinated individual. For me village is not a heaven. It is a heaven for settlers like you ,not for a dalit born in that village.Even in my own village there was a two tumbler system.Which was utterly humiliating. For you they don't exist or they are to be glorified. For me they are feudal remnants to be fought tooth and nail
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Aparna Krishnan Your wish. I live in an SC village. Have for 20 years to date. Maybe my understandings are deeper - unless you wish to conviniently brush them aside as 'coloured' !!
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph I lived in a village ; defecated in the fields ,washed myself in a small rivulet and lived among people. I have SOME knowledge of how a village operates
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph Not every village is same.This is so elementary. The villages in North Arcot are so different from the villages of Thirunelveli.
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Aparna Krishnan We are close to N Arcot
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph I lived in North Arcot(undivided) Dharmapuri border
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Prakash Thangavel Does this mean class system does not exist in cities? Glassed restaurants, high walled gated communities, separate stairs, elevator for maids? And use same SC to clean sewers? City is no heaven either, just that money glosses over the caste divide and feudalism is replaced by class system. just look how north chennai is portrayed in the movies and compared repeatedly with affluent south chennai
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph Prakash Thangavel whoever said class system does not exist in cities?
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph And Prakash Thangavel I was born and brought up in a slum of Chennai and I know how class operates in cities first hand



Mamatha Balasubramanian Is it the individual’s fault for being “deracinated”? People didn’t become deracinated overnight, it took many generations to do so and many of our social systems promote it, intentionally or unintentionally. 

In your example, raising awareness about the medicinal properties of cow urine will likely have a better impact than ridiculing or being judgmental about those who are unaware.
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Aparna Krishnan Deracination is the deadliest thing we are facing today. A community alienated from the strengths of the land, having clear disdain for the rural, is at the helm of affairs. 

Unless we brutally face it, this country is doomed. It took me many slaps to face my own loss of roots, and then to seek it.


Rajeev R. Singh Deracination is using fancy words of English like deracination itself, when simpler words exist to explain the same thing..
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Aparna Krishnan hahaha true. Just that I have found this word perfect.


Suresh Boyapati If anyone wants, proofs ... here are they , US and China granted patents for gomuthra ..
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Suresh Boyapati • US patent No 6410059- for Antibiotic Anti Fungal, Bio enhancer effect of Gomutra 
• US Patent No. 6896907 - For Anti Allergic, Anti infective, Nutrient & Anti-cancer 
• US Patent No. 7718360- For Anti Oxidant, Apoptosis 

• US Patent No. 7235262- For cow urine distillate as a Bio-enhancer of Anti-infective, Anti-cancer agents & Nutrients 
• China Patent No. 100475221- For protecting and/or repairing DNA from oxidative damages 
• US Patent No. 7297659- For synergistic fermented plant growth promoting, bio-control composition
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Regi Lalitha I agree with Amalorpavanathan Joseph. Blindly believing in tradition is akin to blindly believing in religion or the clergy. We have to use some rational thought. As a doc working in rural areas fir more than 30 years, i have seen enough life threatening complications arising out of "tradition". We dont have to romanticise rural life just because we live it
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Aparna Krishnan Where in the post or thread has one advocated 'blind belief' in anything ? One is speaking or roots, of essenial respect, of validating the strengths and questioning the wrongs. And of the needs for proponants of modern science to understand that there is a lot they dont.
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph When have you ever questioned the wrong? Untouchability? Two tumbler system?Separate burial grounds? Immorality (In my village the commonest disease was not anemia; it was gonorrrhea got by men from lambady tribes and passed on to their wives. 
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sands of people worked in villages ;many have died fighting for people's rights there. They all know that villages had a very strong feudal system that favoured the upperclassmen at the expense of dalits and tribes.VIllages are NOT a homogenous entity. This is the experience of "deracinated" people like me.
BTW in our younger days whenever we didn't like someone we would call them "petty bourgeoisie". Seems the term has changed to deracination
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Aparna Krishnan Please go thro' my blog for various aspects that I have documented. Thanks.


Amalorpavanathan Joseph Once it is proven we shall definitely accept them and use them After all peoples health is our foremost concern.
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Aparna Krishnan 'we' meaning ?
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Aparna Krishnan The ayurvedic doctors have not seeked acceptance from the allopaths !

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Rajeev R. Singh Problem is that brahmanism has prevented the spread and proliferation of knowledge and information amongst the masses in our context. Once people begin to experiment and learn, and there is an environment where knowledge can spread, things improve.
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph Correct Even Ayurveda remained an uppercaste privelge.I don't know of any dalit ayurvedic physician
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Aparna Krishnan That is your ignorance. Please read Dharampal. The Beautiful Tree. For archival details on the same.
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Aparna Krishnan In most areas, the Brahmin scholars formed a very small
proportion of those studying in schools. Higher learning,
however, being more in the nature of professional specialisation,

seems in the main to have been limited to the Brahmins. This
was especially true regarding the disciplines of Theology,
Metaphysics, Ethics, and to a large extent of the study of Law.
But the disciplines of Astronomy and Medical Science seem to
have been studied by scholars from a variety of backgrounds
and castes. This is very evident from the Malabar data: out of
808 studying Astronomy, only 78 were Brahmins; and of the 194
studying Medicine, only 31 were Brahmins. Incidentally, in
Rajahmundry, five of the scholars in the institution of higher
learning were Soodras. According to other Madras Presidency
surveys, of those practising Medicine and Surgery, it was found
that such persons belonged to a variety of castes. Amongst them,
the barbers, according to British medical men, were the best in
Surgery.44

http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvindgupta/beautifultree.pdf
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Rajeev R. Singh Is Dharampal the only person who could prove me wrong ? Are you trying to say Brahmins spread information far and wide? They did not stop anyone and any community from reaching their heights ?
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph Vaidya has almost become a caste name .Show me one Dalit with the surname of Vaidya
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Rajeev R. Singh Most knowledge was codified in Sanskrit and other languages, which was taboo to learn for Dalits and Shudras .....
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph Siddha was different
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Aparna Krishnan Rajeev R. Singh Counter authentic data with autentic data please. Ranting serves little purpose.
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Rajeev R. Singh It is interesting to note that Aparna Krishnan you are asking for 'authentic' data and see my statement as a 'rant.' Well you are all the time ranting about everything in urban life, 'western' vs 'local', every other experience other than your own as being 'racinated' or whatever etc etc without any authentic data of any kind, other than your own experience! I have not seen you question caste and its ills, unless once in a while of course, it is in the urban context. What I am saying is all over. It needs no further authentication. However, you may read Caste and Race in India by Ghurye G.S. as a small step towards checking out what I say for its 'authenticity.' .....
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph Rajeev R. Singh For those say that " we live as one" ; dalits and tribes form the largest nber of under trials in the country today..That IS an a


Amalorpavanathan Joseph Knowledge was handed down on caste lines
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Jagannath Chatterjee There are so many things I point out everyday that doctors should be fighting. They don't. They remain silent to their own blatant fallacies. But say anything about the traditional practices that kept us healthy for ages and they point out a few incidents to malign the totality. Sad. I have lost trust in doctors. Once upon a time I wanted to become one. Today I am glad I do not belong to that profession. I would have missed health by a mile. A profession that does not know anything about nutrition, derides the most useful herbs and foods, shames holistic healers and calls them street dogs, hates the word cure, and hates exercise, thinks listening to patients feedback is unscientific, threatens and abuses complaining patients is a profession to be avoided at all cost. I once thought reform was possible. Today I know how naive I was.
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Aparna Krishnan Those submitting to modern science were always arrogant, seeling all else as inferior. Today they are also threatened. Makes for a deadly combination.

The terror in the allopathic circles when the TN government prescribed a siddha drug as a dengue pre
ventive was palpable. They did their best to scuttle it. The people voted with their feet, and went at had the bitter potion at all the stalls.

The medicine Nilavembu, Bhunimba in Sanskrit, is a a fundamental fever medicine in Ayurveda.
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph //Terror in Allopathic circles!!!// Fine prose madam. You write well.
And time for me to do this small surgery..This disease cannot be cured by cows urine or Nilavembu. I have to operate. I have no pleasure in wielding the scalpel but when needed I will not hesitate. So thanks again
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Aparna Krishnan A standard Siddha medicine, as prescribed by Siddha doctors, was advised and dispensed by the TN government. The violent responses from the allopathic extablishment was a sight.

Allopaths would do well to not assume that theirs is the only system in this land.


The Siddha doctors are not demanding that allopaths prove themselves to them. There is no reason for them to do the reverse either. Thanks.
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Aparna Krishnan "This cannot be cured by cows urine or Nilavembu. " I have no idea what 'this' is. Anyway our Nigantus have a parmacopia far vaster than allopathy can imagine - why just mention gmutra and nilavembu !
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph The allopaths objected using them to dispense Nilavembu. They don't care one way it other if Siddha doctor dispenses them on his own. And read the report of the central government doctors who evaluated the dengue surge in TN. And someday you will realise the politics behind Nilavembu in TN
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph This disease is renal failure. If you can cure them I can send atleast one patient a day.
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Aparna Krishnan Ok, thats fair. The allopath should not have to deal with medicines beyond his ken. As holds for other practitioners also.

And parallely the government should increase the number of practioners of Indian Systems to match that of allopaths in its establishments.
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph So you were writing without even understanding why allopaths protested Nilavembu!!!
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Aparna Krishnan Allopaths would do well to go by the understandings of seasoned practitioners of Siddha and Ayurveda, an old and hoary system of medicine, when it comes to their medicines and systems.

Anyway I have little more to add. Peace. And goodbye.
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Jagannath Chatterjee Allopaths protested Nilavembu!!!! Allopaths remained silent about vaccines!!!!! The immense Dengvax scandal in Phillipines escaped their attention!!! 19 dead, 940 hospitalized, 837000 pushed into being time bombs!!!! And the lobby is still active and pushing the Govt to introduce it in India!!! Blind to the 67231 disabilities worldwide and 1243 deaths due to the HPV vaccine!!!! Actively lobbying to introduce into the UIP in India!!!! Wow! Such integrity!! Such honesty!!! So caring about health!!!
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Amalorpavanathan Joseph Jagannath Chatterjee I would have responded.Buy since you doubt my integrity and honesty, I have no interest in engaging in any discussion with you
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Aparna Krishnan I would not take it personally. 

It is probably a comment on the allopathic world which has not responded as strongly to internal failures as it does to ayurveda.
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Jagannath Chatterjee I think Amal knows that but using this as an excuse he has avoided answering the post!



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