Saturday, 18 March 2017

FB Discussions - The Right and the Left can take a walk.

 "Dont want Nagpur or JNU" said a friend. 
The Right and the Left can take a walk.
Gram Swaraj needs a different ideology rooted in a respect for the village and the village person's culture and wisdom and gods. 

Narayana Sarma I think I disagree. There is no answer to the Right, except the Left. There is a huge vacuum in the middle- the major chunk of which is eaten up by the useless, wicked and supercilious NGOs funded by big Corporations. They are definitely no answer- even intellectually- to the Left. (They are actually offshoots of Right, if you ask me). And, 1. This 'Gram Swaraj ideology' is almost non existent- give me the details if anything is there. 2. Left has several hues, and if you keep aside the 'political' left (those who win elections) which is no Left at all- all that is left actually lives in villages, has respect for villages and so on. So any coherence you seek in the 'middle path' inevitably leads you to the Left. I'd seriously want every university in our country- not just JNU- adopt a 'proper Left' (in the absence of anything else) rather than the malicious right or the vacuous middle.

Aparna Krishnan There is more to it. The left is ideologically deeply distanced from the essential roots of the village. The roots are their devudus, and their social life, largely centred around their festivities, and the dharmam which defines their world views. One cannot have disdain for this - and build an Indian society. Some oppression-repression can be addressed.

Aparna Krishnan The gram swaraj needs to be reworked out - the Lest and the Right are no answers. Yes NGOs have to Go.

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula There was no left or right till after the French Revolution. Didn't the world survive?

The Left's ideology rests on the graves of millions of dead bodies under Stalin, Mao and so on. 

How did the left arise? It was a reaction to the rise of Capitalism of the West. That itself negates it as a solution for us. 

Neither capitalism not communism make sense nor do they have a sociocultural people connect. 

We work to accrue wealth in sustainable ways and then give back to society. Is that capitalism or communism?

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula Problem is people have Delhi centric mindset and upper caste thinking. 

What does a Prakash Karat or Sitaram Yechury now about the proletariat?

Aparna Krishnan Even those on the ground, if they have disdain for the people and their gods and their practices, they have lost it. Those who have grown beyond Marx would make the mark.

Aparna Krishnan But somehow the best of them them seem sold to the theory that religion is opium. They the 'masses' are 'opiated' and 'deluded' - that will never do for any sustainable and mutuially respecting engagement.

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula The left on the ground is long lost. The disconnect is incredible.

Aparna Krishnan are there people who have gone to the villages and spent long years there ? i suppose there are.

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula There are many career Leftists in our villages. They understand the fallacy of their ideology but continue as they are too passionate about it. Beyond that, they don't bother. 

Our left will oppose nuclear plants if it's US backed but will support of its Russia backed!  

We oppose both!

Aparna Krishnan Why are they so passionate about their ideology ? Thats my question. Even after long years in a village they refuse to see some village realities - of faith, and gods, and customs, and pride of each and every community in its caste.

Aparna Krishnan what is a career leftist ?

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula Combination of ego and conviction.

Aparna Krishnan the theory is so strong ? ego is a human failing, eveyone struggles with.

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula Career leftists are the ones who are party members, earn a stipend from the party, are diligent in their work.

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula They never fail to protest.

Aparna Krishnan i think there are enough left activists today who oppose dams irrespective of the funder. That they have learnt. But they have not learnt the village realities, and also the village strengths. That blindness surprises me.

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula If you read the Leftisy literature, you will pick up an axe and hack the bourgeoisie!

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula They believe in the failed State owned cooperative model of the Soviets.

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula If you want to shut them up, ask them about China and Tibet, Russia and Koodankulam.

Aparna Krishnan So their theory must be far more convincing ! Maybe theoritically more rigourous. But there is a ground reality beyond all the infallible theories - that only a very few, if at all, try to see.

Aparna Krishnan One young leftist attacked me calling me arrogant and presumptious for saying that indian villages are all religious !

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