Wednesday 22 November 2017

Hussain and Padmavathi and the ordinary people

It would be good to have a count of those who support M.F.Hussains right to paint Hindu goddesses in the nude.
I completely object.
It is perversion, arrogance, and contempt for the people of the land.

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Naveen Manikandan Periasamy Lakshman Lakshminarayana A public personality of certain acclaim takes responsibility for what he says and does as it is watched by millions. It is ridiculous to say that he did not paint it over every Indian's face. Every people have their sensitivities and it should be respected. It would be the height of insensitivity to suggest that Holocaust jokes should be tolerated in Europe. Same goes for defending an obvious iconoclast who takes sadistic pleasure in hurting the sentiments of the masses by denigrating the deities they worship.

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Aparna Krishnan Ajay Kumar my point is different. It is that when people have certian reverances, Gangamma in my village or Padmavathi elsewhere, urbans in the name of artistic freedom have no right to do anything that run contrary to the reverance of people. It is simpe perversion. They can seek their creativity elsewhere. 

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Balasubramaniam Muthusamy then demolish all the temples as all of them have nude sculptures of gods and goddesses like the way Taliban destroyed Baamiyan Budhha statues..
 
Aparna Krishnan You have to move with the ordinary people of this land, immerse absorb their ethos. Intellectual discussions and positions are sterile.
 
Aparna Krishnan Like pornography is defended quoting Kharuraho. Im out of this, and all intellectual positionings. People will give a fitting answer. One day.
 
 Aparna Krishnan The people decide what is acceptable and what is not, regarding their gods and their customs. Nobody elses business.. They will speak out. Louder and louder. It has started. The elite have ruled the sound waves too long.
 
Naveen Manikandan Periasamy Balasubramaniam Muthusamy I think you need to take a good look at the paintings. They are explicitly pornographic and suggestive. It is not the same as Khajuraho where deities worshipped by people are not used. Hussain is a crass iconoclast is obvious and it is takes extreme naïveté not to see that.
 
Mahalakshmi Parthasarathy Personal choices and beliefs have to be respected I totally agree but one can never say violence is acceptable to put forth ones viewpoint . The law of the land has to be followed. Cutting off noses , is violence has to be condemned ..they can go to the courts get a stay order - more better if those who object show their numbers by not watching there ends the padmavati story ..
 
 Aparna Krishnan If the deepest beliefs of people are attacked, their gods and their customs, it will not me for you or me to pontificate on their responses. A la Jallikattu. The times will throw up many more issues, just wait. Some communities will take it more peacefully, some less so. 
 
Naveen Manikandan Periasamy This is BS. The nude sculptures outside temples are not that of Parvathy or Laksmi Devi. You must have read one of those Wendy Donniger like obscene translations of Tiruppavai.
 
ஸ்ரீராமதாஸ் மகாலிங்கம் Akka, just draw Prophet Mohammed. Everything exposed. A drama with Mohammed dressed isn't tolerable to these.
 
Balasubramaniam Muthusamy so what? if one religion does not permit, should I follow the same? Hinduism is a great way of looking at life. why should it become a Xerox copy of another religion?
 
Ayshwarya Vijayendran #Padmavatirow
Disclaimer: I am not affiliated to any political party in India. This is a very big rant

I am very curious about the reactions of my fellow countrymen/ woman regarding the above topic.

Karni Sena wanting to cut off Depika’s nose is ridiculous.

Padmavati may have been a work of fiction, originally written by a Muslim poet during Khalji period.

To put it in perspective, so is silapadhigaram.
Both works were responses to the social practices of that particular period. They give us an insight into the prevailing customs- and the reason the customs came into being.

Sati was prevalent in India, and as far as all Puranas/ historical texts go it was voluntary. I am not commenting the merits and demerits of the practice. It existed in the past and we have moved on from it in the last 100 years or so. 
 
The queen wanted to protect her honour and committed sati instead of submitting to the invaders will. It may also be seen as a final act of defiance.

But. Why is the movie director distorting a legitimate work of fiction, a Muslim poets work? What is the need to glorify an invader, especially by claiming that Padmavati May have had feelings for him?

1. If the argument is that it is a democracy and artistic license should prevail, how SHOULD people react in the following situations?
 
a. Suppose a film is made about silapadhigaram, and If a slight is made against Kannagi, should we sit quietly and reconcile because it is only a work of fiction and 2020 india is a democracy? 
 
b. an imaginary duet between draupadi and karna/ duriyodhana, because a leader of a major regional party even doubted the existence of Rama?
 
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Ayshwarya Vijayendran A rule book king, his wife and a rebel could have been anybody, but why Rama and Sita? Ramayana is not even a work of fiction. It is an Ithihaasa. Millions and millions of Hindus believe that Rama had walked upon the Indian subcontinent. As an Ithihaasa, it is considered as that which took place and Valmiki had merely reported it. 
 
No Hindu would accept that Sita lost her honour when Ravana abducted her. Her devotion and love for Rama is the type of Bhakti that is central to the very existence of sanathana dharma. 
 
But manirathan had the audacity to suggest that Sita May have had attraction for Ravana and it is been justified as a brilliant interpretation in this forum. 
 
He has made the movie and the damage is done. 200 years later, there could be another take on ramanaya and justify mani rathnams work.
 
 Lakshman Lakshminarayana You should speak for yourselves, not for all the Hindus in Earth. There comes the problem.
 
Aparna Krishnan The educated intellectualize endlessly. They are too alienated from the faith of the people.

And so they keep getting shocked at the responses of people, when the people do not stick to their theories !
 
 
Aparna Krishnan The english educated are a minority, and hopefully an endangered minority. The people have their customs in the here and now, their beliefs, their faiths. The deracinated cannot even tune into it.

As the MFHs and Bhansals play around, and the educated
from their cozy towers advise that the people should turn away and ignore, the pressure is building up.

The people will reply. And that day the elite can express their shock at the uncultured responses of the people.

But that will be because they have been so alienated from their land, to have not seen the earlier perverted provocations.

People in India are rooted in their gods and their faiths. And they do not need to hold their peace forever.
 
Balasubramaniam Muthusamy and why are you presuming that he has distorted the popular story - have you seen it?
 
Lakshman Lakshminarayana That will never be answered. Nobody had seen the Elephant but all claim it's has white tusk. And if asked, we became 'English educated intellectuals'.
 
Naveen Manikandan Periasamy Balasubramaniam Muthusamy Yes, that may be the case. So why didn't the Bhansali and his marketing team come forward to clear this misunderstanding? Isn't it a cheap trick to garner publicity for the movie through controversy?
 
Paranthaman Sriramulu Guys, may I know which temples have nude gods?. We cover all gods with clothes, jewels, flowers; the same way we follow. Yes, there are some statues depicting some activities as art and education. However they are not for sale or doing commercial business. They put in temple because to have some sacredness not for cheap publicity
 
Aparna Krishnan Hes doing this just to provoke, there are millions of other nude images he can draw for his pleasure. The Muslims would never take it, were it done to their gods and prophets. The Hindus are mild, and take it. But I suspect the breaking point has come.
 
Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan All those writing in support of Hussain, please see all his paintings before commenting. It's not only the nude Saraswati, but many more, much more objectionable pictures. There have been many articles and his own quotes to show that he actually thought nudity was insulting. He drew mother Theresa, prophets mother fully clothed and Hitler in the nude. And don't compare the puranic descriptions etc with these. There is a huge difference in intent, the message being conveyed and the audience for whom it is being conveyed
 
 Aparna Krishnan Utter disregard, contempt for the sentiments of the people is the byline. Of Hussain, and of his army of supporters. The 'Artistic Freedom' warriors.
 
 

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