Malls, Fabindias, Five Star spaces, India International Centres, India Habitat Centres, Clubs.
All temples are fine for me. Rich and poor rub shoulders together there.
Aravinda Pillalamarri Some women recently told me that they were not allowed in the temple because of their caste.
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Aparna Krishnan Visit that temple, find out why and how. See if that is a rare temple, maybe family owned, and private. See if that is the norm or the exception.
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Aparna Krishnan In our area they visit every temple from Tirupathi to the local most important panchayat temple in the reddy hamlet. The official priest there is an SC, and theres a long story behind it. He is revered as the priest by all communities. Regarding Tirupathi I have also been trying to find out if in the past it was disallowed to SCs, and when the doors were thrown open. But today if anything is closed, the people will bring down the skies.
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Aravinda Pillalamarri After reading your rule I thought, "good thing I don't go to Tirupati, as it has differnet entry for different fees."
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Aparna Krishnan I go in the general queue. I will also join a struggle against the special queue.
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Aparna Krishnan Once I was of your position. now that I know hoe deeply temples matters to local people, I stand with them in their choice, and will question deviations therein. The special queue to start with.
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దామోదర రెడ్డి there may be special queue, but also general one.. any devotees coming to tirumala doesn't think that much about those all.. even if there is a road way from tirupati to tirumala, many normal people only goes by walking from tirupati to above sevenhills... there is an enjoyment , deep sense of understanding self when climbing seven hills and starving in queues for darshan!..
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Aparna Krishnan still it is wrong to offer richer people quicker darshan. yes, people dont mind, but if there was a struggle agsinst it i would lend my bit.
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దామోదర రెడ్డి Aparna Krishnan hm.. then what will we say, if TTD claim that that revenue is to provide fecilities to remaining devotees? when we go, they offered free food in the way of hill climbing.. for all people, and do free kshavara and gives cow milk, and food in waiting rooms and free prasadam, and all other fescilities free of cost in holy name of govinda. And there is special queue for all of us, those who reached tirumala by climbing seven hills by foot instead of bus.. So for them too not that much problem. there is special queue for old people.. and there is sarvadarshanam(general) queue for all normal devotees who reached by tirumala by ghat road.
And i saw many normal village people came from long distances or who has some physical problem go in 300Rs queue, thinking that money goes to venkanna and his devotees only. don't know any other great fescilities provided for 300Rs queue other than some what quick darshan. 300 Rs may not that richer when every one of them spends thousands to reach tirumala from long distances to get venkanna darshan. once or twice a year.
And there are things like VIP darshan breaks,where every other stopped, and so called VIPs directly brought to darshan..., which seriously impact all devotees ..people protests for stopping that VIP nonsense..
ManageAnd i saw many normal village people came from long distances or who has some physical problem go in 300Rs queue, thinking that money goes to venkanna and his devotees only. don't know any other great fescilities provided for 300Rs queue other than some what quick darshan. 300 Rs may not that richer when every one of them spends thousands to reach tirumala from long distances to get venkanna darshan. once or twice a year.
And there are things like VIP darshan breaks,where every other stopped, and so called VIPs directly brought to darshan..., which seriously impact all devotees ..people protests for stopping that VIP nonsense..
Aparna Krishnan Pay 300/- as a donation ! And join general queue. VIP darshan is also wrong. And paid queue is also wrong. Tirumala gets enough money and does not need to raise money this way. Anyway the means are more important that the ends.
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దామోదర రెడ్డి i say like that bcz i didn't faced any problem in general queue due to them.. many temples have 20 Rs queue lines, 10Rs lines etc.. but they never gave inferiority of being in general queue. it helps temple management. and serve as an option who cannot walk that much or who are old, or who came from long distances.... these are valid, practicle reasons i got from them.. and most of them are not any rich, just one among us.. and they never felt that queue is 'special' , but felt as an option for them.
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Aparna Krishnan You need to live in place long enough to understand the nuances and details. We have lived long enough here.
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Aparna Krishnan Please read what i have said above. I have asked you to find out if being denied temple entry is the rule or the exeption. Manage
Aravinda Pillalamarri Aparna Krishnan the women who were denied entry have themselves told me this so I have already found out. I am not sure what you are asking me to find out. What do you mean by exception If you mean, entry is allowed to everyone EXCEPT Dalits then yes, that seems to be the rule.
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Aparna Krishnan 1. Temples are very important to people. Which is why stalwarts from Gandhi to Periyar to Narayana Guru took it on, rather than advising people atheism.
So while I would boycott malls, I would strive to demand temple entry for all.
2. If most temples are open to all, and very few deny entry we need to note that.
3. And if priorities permit, address that detail
4. In our entire area there is only one temple I know that belongs to the Reddy community and takes this line. Nowhere else. We have not had time to take that up
ManageSo while I would boycott malls, I would strive to demand temple entry for all.
2. If most temples are open to all, and very few deny entry we need to note that.
3. And if priorities permit, address that detail
4. In our entire area there is only one temple I know that belongs to the Reddy community and takes this line. Nowhere else. We have not had time to take that up
Aravinda Pillalamarri Often we spend time in spaces where Dalits are prohibited without realizing that. Isn't that what you meant by "invisible walls?" And that is exactly what the women told me when I said that I did not know that this form of untouchability was practiced even today. They said, "how would you know?" Same can apply to class, and to digit. When we step out of those spaces, we learn.
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