Tuesday, 16 March 2021

A discussion on Brahmins owning up roots

 



15 March 2016 at 23:10 ·
" Seriously, I want Brahmins to actually be truthful to their roots and dig up stuff that we're losing. So much can be done by them, but they're sitting in MNCs and selling the country one parcel of land at a time
Simple example, I don't know Sanskrit but I know a lot of knowledge is sitting with no one to use it.
Knowledge that can impact our lives in many ways, especially for the people who can't afford Western technology driven knowledge.
In medicine, agriculture, arts, environmental work, water conservation, so much more
Nammalvar ayya narrated this once. When the Japanese started raising fish in paddy fields, many people got excited and said we should also do it. Mgr said, Andal in her Tirupaavai has sung about fish in red rice fields! All that knowledge is caught in a trap of neglect"
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  • Suresh Rangarajan
    So do the Brahmins. But being targeted and made mockery of doesn't leave us with any other choice.
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      Targeted by who? What?
      Enough of this constant blaming others. If Sanskrit doesn’t pay for bread and butter, it’ll be abandoned is what you are trying to convey.
      Beyond using it for religious and economic purposes, I’d really like to know why defenders of Sanskrit haven’t done any serious work of translating non religious content into other languages or even researching them.
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    • Suresh Rangarajan
      Please read below on translating and preserving content.
      Who is blaming whom? Brahmins are constantly targeted in Tamil Nadu with a flawed Aryan Invasion theory which nobody really as any proof about. First priority is to save one's life and that is what happened. I don't want to get pulled into any further discussion on this.
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    • Aparna Krishnan
      I have not read the above, because I think thats not the point here. Brahmins have had a grip on Sanskrit for bery long. Our duty, dharmam if you like to call it that, today is to contribute to society on that front. There is vast knowlege to be returned to society from the texts. What Hima says is that we are defaulting on that contribution. I agree.
      The only point I would add is that I think the modern day inheritors of that title, currently in MNCs, have hardly any right to that term. The brahmins mandate was to use hisr learnings for societys good, and to libe in simplicity on what society gave them. Todays self serving generation are imo de-casted.
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      See how the thread is taken to Aryan invasion vs Dravidian!
      Beyond blaming what else is new.
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    • Aparna Krishnan
      The brahmin gave up his dharmam long ago.Of service and austerity. At least the ones who passed thro modern education did. And they lost the traditional respect that society rendered to that sense of service and austerity.
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      Aparna Krishnan
       I don’t have a problem with what they have chosen to become, but some of them having long given up their own roots, strut around preaching to people, failing to realise that neither do they have the historical social status nor the knowledge to do so.
      The “I know better because I am a Brahmin” attitude is what needs to be criticized.
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      Secondly way too many complaint of discrimination and targeting etc. this is the sad reality of their own disconnect from society. I’ve never heard of someone from the community starve to death or have to beg for a meal. Somehow the few hundred millions deprived of livelihoods, resources, facing hunger, malnutrition etc don’t matter to them. The notional targeting and sufferings of their own are paramount.
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    • Aparna Krishnan
      They (or maybe I need to say we, say i also belong to this community) got into english education ahead of others. And so sadly the deracination and alienation and anglicization is more.
      The need for my community is to face this truth, and seek genuine ways of returning to root. And start paying back.
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  • Ramasamy Selvam
    #AparnaKrishnan,#KomakkambefuHimakiran after panchakavya had become very popular input in farming, now all over the country, hon'ble Ex. President Thiru.Vengetraman visited Kodumudi Natarajan's house and said, we have kept this secret ( secret of pancha kavya's curative property over many diseases and building immunity) for more this 2,000 yrs and now you had made this very public.
    Sad to hear that. Dr Natarajan thought its social value. And Vengetrsman thought of the loss of their knowledge property owner ship.
    Sad.
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    • Aparna Krishnan
      I dont beleive this story. At any rate this is not typical. It is some pointless stereotyping.
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      Aparna Krishnan
       it’s quite possible I would think.
      Just going by the sheer resistance till date to everyone becoming priests.
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    • Ramasamy Selvam
      This was told to.me by Dr. himself to me. That's y i believe. Bcos Dr. Natarajan is neither an atheist or an anti-brahmin
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    • Aparna Krishnan
      Hima, do you think in these times the son of a small temple priest wants to become a temple priest ??
      I have many questions of my community, but this stereotyping of their clinging to traditional knowlege for personal gain i disagree. The traditional role of a brahmin was that of a teacher.
      There is another side. the vaidudus in our area, they are from all castes, do not give their mantrams. unless they find a person who can carry that, and maintain all the rigours that it demands. That is a concept in worship.
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      Ramasamy Selvam
       its irrelevent, true or false. To extrapolate it to all brahmins is invalid.
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      If the son of a priest doesn’t want to become a priest, did anyone stop that? But here we are talking about people from all other communities who have qualified with the requisite knowledge and practices and yet they are opposed by people who have long given up and moved into greener pastures. Why is a question we all need to ask .
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      You can innumerable examples of such people who are working in MNCs but always quote the poor Brahmin priest. I’ve asked for actual data of how many poor Brahmin priests are there but have never got that.
      Being a temple priest doesn’t make you rich but it opens up opportunities to conduct rituals in homes, marriages and other ceremonies; that’s where the real income is. So projecting a poor image for a Brahmin priest is actually to protect the economic benefits.
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    • Aparna Krishnan
      Most who have moved away to greener pastures dont care a hoot !
      There could be some protocol need as I mentioned about the vaidudus in my area. Still if someone from another community seriously wants to undergo the rigourours training of a veda pathshala etc, yes, we can ask. But if based on a 6 month course, they want to start officiating in a tradition place based on many agama protocols, maybe not.
      I also have no figures. But just as a farmers son does not want to be a farmer, I suspect the priests son does not want to be one either.
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    • Ramasamy Selvam
      True i accept. What i wished to say is lots of knowledge in each language. Those who belonging to tat language must decipher and make it useful for all.
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      vedas, agamas, tamil traditions..all were learnt by the candidates...yet their birth determined whether they can become priests or not. Which God are these vedas, agamas for?
      anyways...change will happen...some day...
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    • Ramasamy Selvam
      Him a, Aparna's post is not in this line. She says either they sud live as a real bramhin and not hipocratically and with political tone to control others
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    • Aparna Krishnan
      My village boys, SCs, dont want to become priests. They want to become courier boys, xerox operators, cleark, but dertianly not shastraic priests ! Maybe we are fighting the wrong battle.
      As for qualification for agamic traditions, and mantram rendering, many years in a tradition may be needed. Whichever the community. Just submitting a possibility.
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      Ramasamy Selvam
       a real brahmin needs to use his learnings for others, and live on the minimum. There are very few today ! And nobody in the wider society cares for taking on that role either !
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    • Komakkambedu Himakiran
      Anna...yeah...the post was not on those lines, but someone made it about that.
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