Handling Urban Garbage

(via Rohit Shetti
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"My view is that there should be a rule strictly imposed with dictatorial zeal that no garbage should travel more than a distance of 2 km from where it is collected... this would mean distributed garbage dumps right in the middle of our Malleswarams and Besant Nagars and Connaught Places... one for each area.... which would mean stink, filth and other good things from it... which would mean people would start taking care of what, how much and how they dump their waste" 

Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
How about extending that solution to selling agricultural produce, petroleum products, jobs people take, education etc.
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Gangadharan Kumar
Very good idea. Bulk of the problems we face is due to the "Out of sight, out of mind syndrome". Garbage, corruption even lack of empathy.
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Aparna Krishnan
Yes, practically and in matters of empathy, the human being can only work viabilly under a finite sense of community. Beyond that it gets dysfunctional. It has.
Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
I am just pointing out how logical fallacies arise. It is easy to recommend "MY" solutions when it is convenient. Unfortunately "MY"solutions to be implemented need to become "OUR" solutions.
Sridhar Lakshmanan
This is the real sollution
Sridhar Lakshmanan
Treatment at source as some factories are mandated
Aparna Krishnan
And keeping all local garbage within the community !!
Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
Hey why one rule for inputs and another for outputs. Why should we have markets at distant places for agriculture produce? Why have international trade? Ban it all. Lets go back to stone age.
Sridhar Lakshmanan
U generate u handle. That will influence consumption choice in many ways. Is it not how it's handles in villages.
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Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
yes every village and community must manufacture all its medicines, do its own research, never depend on anything for outside. Lovely. !!!!
Sridhar Lakshmanan
Agriculture cannot happen in all places but waste treatment or garbage handling. Case in point it sewage systems and dump yards we already have lot of technology moving in this direction.its not a step back ward but forward. Can suggest various means and places where it's done. Though I would never agree to any ban
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Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
If you do not want to acknowledge interdependence and work with that spirit. Imposing even in your own mind unilateral decisions does not foster any better spirit. The original post talks of juet leaving garbage to rot, so that people will have to deal with the stink. It is like punish people spirit,. My question is this the spirit that you endorse. Wonderful, if answer is YES what enlightened thinking ?
Sridhar Lakshmanan
Check "village herbs" as a concept and implementation. There are bio digesters in schools homes where they are generating cooking gas from food waste and cookies g in it also at a fraction. And BTW that technology was developed in a village kendra. Hence a humble request let's not dismiss things just because we did not know. I can give many more examples in other areas too including food production in urban areas but doubt if it would be of any help.
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Sridhar Lakshmanan
@ BalasubramanianThyagarajan http://villageherbs.in, check Havana food security, http://www.vknardep.org/.../technology/shakti-surabhi.html. my argument is not against interdependence but against irresponsibility, if u can't handle wat u generate , y generate. These kind of bio digesters are there for flats , both low cost and high cost too.
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Village Herbs
Village Herbs
Sridhar Lakshmanan
I agree to all u say abt dictatorial zeal , I did not subscribe to it. But the stench is too much
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Aparna Krishnan
Yes, the real stench in faced by the poor rummageing in the dumpyads and living around them. Compared to that, rohit's note wafts fragrance.
Aparna Krishnan
As also there discussions on FB sitting in sterile antiseptic rooms !!
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Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
Sridhar Lakshmanan
I am for all solutions, I have grown roof top gardens, using various technique, starting from hydroponics etc. I agree there are many more solutions that what are implemented now.
Every one of them is worthy of trial depending upon the constraints of the situation.
What I will oppose virulently is this paradigm that "Either you are with us, or Against Us mentality" where all advocates of the "Green" are angels and those against are devils.
We need to get the tone right . 90% of disagreements are due to tone, not content.
Am I asking for too much?
Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
Aparna Krishnan
Do you have a problem with people in sterile antiseptic rooms participating in FB discussions?
Aparna Krishnan
The point is that the real stench is sky high, and sharpness of language is a non issue in these times. think of those rummageing in dustbins.
Sridhar Lakshmanan
For a long time say 150 yrs before only knowledge was transferred not medicines. Medicines were formulated at local level on the knowledge that was shared. Research was not that was held inside four walls and called a research centre. Even today many medicines borrow this research and make millions ignoring the indigenous knowledge shared through generations across thousands. We know what modern medicine and research in closed walls in centres of excellence has done. Even today most villages are outside the ambit of modern medicine and use traditional knowledge. By the way earliest practitioners of surgery were barbers. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worshipful_Company_of_Barbers
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Worshipful Company of Barbers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
Apana when we want to get people to change, which is really the only way forward, we must understand we have to reach their hearts first. The way into the heart is through a language of love and humor. Words are no use if the heart has shutdown. The windows of the mind are operated from the heart.
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Aparna Krishnan
yes sridhar, localisation is the only meaninful paradigm. and then build networks. anyway all this flies in the face of the march of modernity which is sweeping us all away.
Sridhar Lakshmanan
I too agree sir, that's y I strongly feel discussions in online forums can be extremely misleading. I agree with your views on language 100% if not more.. The paradigm u mention I too detest and loathe. I would like to learn hydroponics, can u help. One of the things I wanted to try.
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Balasubramaniam Thyagarajan
So while I do understand the spirit of zeal, love the energy of youth., the last thing I want to see is it getting dissipated into useless fights. Okay my email is balu_t@yahoo.com, lets continue our discussions on hydroponics there. Not that I know much, but can share what I did 35 years ago with my uncle.
Sridhar Lakshmanan
Oh cool
Raghunandan Tr
This is not only desirable, but totally feasible. Only about 10 percent of garbage is non-recyclable. All green waste can be locally composted, and it does not take as much space as is generally believed,

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