If I reported irresolvable vomittings, that the strongest oral anti emetics could not control. Which only when given intravenously would stop the vomitting for a few hours, though it would produce heightened nausea.
A condition that had gone on thro' many months and various interventions.
Stopped after a swami gave some vibhuti (sacred ash), and a mantram to be recited. And said that the problem would never recur.
And it never did after that moment in time.
I wonder what the modern educated would say.
Karuna Sharma Placebo effect also takes into account the faith in caregiver, if I understand correctly
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Aparna Krishnan When other medicines fails, and a mantram works, a rational thinking means it be given teh credit of healing.
Yes, the modern mind is deeply insecure when its modenity is questioned, and will brush it under placebo in 99% cases. But there is that 1% open mind ready to see new frontiers with precision and clarity.
ManageYes, the modern mind is deeply insecure when its modenity is questioned, and will brush it under placebo in 99% cases. But there is that 1% open mind ready to see new frontiers with precision and clarity.
Karuna Sharma Activated charcoal also stops vomiting
ManageKaruna Sharma I started with placebo, then Googled and came across activated charcoal information.
Does that make sense? Hariharan Sukumar
ManageDoes that make sense? Hariharan Sukumar
Aparna Krishnan Mantra chikitsa, far more than any other system even, cannot be 'googled and understood' !!
ManageKaruna Sharma Something like Reiki?
ManageKaruna Sharma Not that I believe in Reiki, just like I don't believe in Homeopathy
ManageAparna Krishnan Dont worry about things you dont beleive in ma !
Manage
Karuna Sharma Actually true
ManageAparna Krishnan I dont have any interest in catering to the modern educated.
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Rupa Bajwa Uff! I know. But they accept that language more readily these days. To my original question, are children also treated this way?
ManageAparna Krishnan Mantram, tantram, antram is 50% of local wisdom, and herbs are another 50%.
ManageKaruna Sharma Googled and came across this. Also search Activated charcoal and vomiting
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Manish Pandit 1. Transference of your karma into the body of the Swami and
2. The Shakti of hours and hours of mantra sadhana which had been transferred to that physical substance called as Vibhuti by medium of Fire making that physical substance vibrate at a peculiar frequency which is the sound frequency of the mantram.
3. Your body which was vomiting was vibrating at another peculiar frequency but after ingestion of the Vibhuti, your body started to vibrate at the frequency of the sound vibration of the mantram: The Shakti of the Swami behind the mantram made its energy greater than your body’s energy resulting in healing.
Manage2. The Shakti of hours and hours of mantra sadhana which had been transferred to that physical substance called as Vibhuti by medium of Fire making that physical substance vibrate at a peculiar frequency which is the sound frequency of the mantram.
3. Your body which was vomiting was vibrating at another peculiar frequency but after ingestion of the Vibhuti, your body started to vibrate at the frequency of the sound vibration of the mantram: The Shakti of the Swami behind the mantram made its energy greater than your body’s energy resulting in healing.
Aparna Krishnan Does not one have to undergo ones prarabdha karma ? It cannot be transferred.
ManageManish Pandit Aparna Krishnan what you say is true only if there is no interference in the Law of Karma. But the moment there is an interference by somebody strong enough to intervene then only two things are possible:
1: Either karma is born by the one exercising the Shakti
Or
2: there is a severe redistribution of the karma.
On the balance of probabilities it seems that option 1 is more likely, option 2 is rarer but I have seen it happen too.... but it is rare. Either the karma must have been not too severe or the Shakti was good enough to persist in spite of Dridha (severe) karma.
Manage1: Either karma is born by the one exercising the Shakti
Or
2: there is a severe redistribution of the karma.
On the balance of probabilities it seems that option 1 is more likely, option 2 is rarer but I have seen it happen too.... but it is rare. Either the karma must have been not too severe or the Shakti was good enough to persist in spite of Dridha (severe) karma.
Aparna Krishnan What is 2. ?
ManageManish Pandit Aparna Krishnan ji, redistribution of karma is where the karma which was some person’s is made to be redistributed into many different people each of whom were either sharing some responsibility for the person’s current condition
Or
where there is some special rnanubandha with the person concerned.
Then the karma which was either the cause of the trouble or which was caused to that person is “redistributed” among all those people in greater or lesser measure.
It is rare.
ManageOr
where there is some special rnanubandha with the person concerned.
Then the karma which was either the cause of the trouble or which was caused to that person is “redistributed” among all those people in greater or lesser measure.
It is rare.
Aparna Krishnan I see, thanks.
ManageManish Pandit Aparna Krishnan Pranaam.
ManageAparna Krishnan Namaste
ManageAparna Krishnan yes, i also dont understand fully. Prarabdha has to be lived out, or balanced out by ones own punyam was my understanding.
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Krishna Kanth Telikepalli A guru swaroopa typically out of unconditional love can take up ones karma and he can live that out through his Upasana. One such guru swaroopa is Shri Chandrasekharendra Saraswati of Kanchi mutt. He has cured many by such power and karuna he has. Or there has to be a strong runanubandha between those two people and the person with higher energy and also who can recognise that he has Runa and need to pay out can take up that karma. I just read Manish ji's last comment and it makes sense to me.
ManageManish Pandit Krishna Kanth Telikepalli one must realise that the meeting of a person with the Swami cannot occur without some rina.
Otherwise there are thousands of people in the world, how do they meet?
Only through rina, is such meeting possible.
ManageOtherwise there are thousands of people in the world, how do they meet?
Only through rina, is such meeting possible.
Manish Pandit Krishna Kanth Telikepalli Guru swaroopa is one type of entity.
Another may be that the Shakti of the Devata has to be applied somewhere. Now some people may not be having the fortunate rnanubandha that they can approach a person just after completion of their upasna.
Others may indeed be fortunate enough to approach at the time when the sadhaka has accumulated enough Shakti in his or her body so as to at least temporarily mitigate the power of the karma causing the particular problem whatsoever it may be.
In the end one can think of it as the peculiar compassion of the Devata of the particular mantram which manifests itself through that sadhaka and reduces suffering in the manifest Jagat.
ManageAnother may be that the Shakti of the Devata has to be applied somewhere. Now some people may not be having the fortunate rnanubandha that they can approach a person just after completion of their upasna.
Others may indeed be fortunate enough to approach at the time when the sadhaka has accumulated enough Shakti in his or her body so as to at least temporarily mitigate the power of the karma causing the particular problem whatsoever it may be.
In the end one can think of it as the peculiar compassion of the Devata of the particular mantram which manifests itself through that sadhaka and reduces suffering in the manifest Jagat.
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ManageThe modern mind would say " We need a much bigger sample size with similar results to conclude anything.. One case does not mean anything . It does not prove or disprove anything, . It does not make one a beliver in something nor does it make someone to convert"
Jagannath Chatterjee It is not that science has not attempted to understand these incidents. I have already spoken about how two forms of unusual treatment in my locality was investigated and found to be effective though the causal mechanism could not be found. Similarly the BMJ archives show a huge compilation of "spontaneous remission" where diseases often went away after religious or spiritual interventions.
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When my daughter was not feeling well for a long time, and the medicines were not working, Eashwaramma asked me once again, "You have tried your medicines, and they are not working. Why dont you try our matrams now ? Take her to Thathappa in Maddivaripalle."
It was so reasonably put, that I finally agreed - for the first time in my twenty years. Varalu's brother Simhadri took us on his motorcycle over the narrow tank bunds in the raintime slush. Thathappa asked us to buy some camphor and come. He was sitting at the temple reading some book.
When Simhadri got the camphor, he lit it before my daughter and prayed to it with utmost concentration for 5 minutes. Then he chanted some incantations, and gave some genesis of the problem. He advised a procedure of worship around the anthill for 11 days, and also gave some holy ash to burn before her daily.
I was not able to follow the procedures. But what I knew was that the utter concentration they bring into the process when they pray to the fire, or the camphor, or the sun before saying the mantrams stills those around also. It is as if they are connecting to the elements in some sense.
Manasaat traayate iti mantrah From the mind churns the mantra. The causes of biochemical actions in body and causes of thoughts in mind are one's predispositions and latent tendencies acting in conformity to bio laws and laws of properties of matter. Triggering the causes is life. But in science neurons and genes interacting with world outside body are said to be with freewill to cause biochemical actions. So the belief in more lawfully predictable results of modern medicines takes hold.. Faith in power of life revives when predictable modern medicines are unavailable.
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A sudden fever was not getting addressed by the Sudarshan immediately. I called my daughter to recite the Hanuman Chalisa. The aching pain was soothed by the end. It always works for me. The fever continues, and I have taken the medicines.
There is some power in mantrams which have been repeated down the centuries by greater souls than us - with the sole objective being the greater good.
Gandhiji has written about 'Lead Kindly Light'. My village treatments are as much based on mantrams, as in plants and animal products. I am alienated from these failths by my English education. But the stories of cure by mantrams startle.
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- I really don't believe in the magic of these mantras and stuff. My understanding is it is a psychology related thing. Just like boosting the immune system internally by causing a secretion of some hormones maybe...
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- i realize i have no strong reason to belive or disbelieve. But matrams are beleived to have power in ayurveda (in certain conditions), and in village practice. I have anecdotal evidence.
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- Parasympathetic outflow is boosted by chanting mantras. "Om" is supposed to be the most efficient at that.I didn't believe in mantras either, when I was younger and more of a know- it-all than I am now.
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- as we grow older we know we know less, and then we know more.2
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- It's called a placebo. It's a real effect, and it works, and we know roughly - very roughly - how it works. But it's not a cure-all. If there's something physically wrong like an infection, it needs to be addressed anyway.
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- I have personal experience many many times of Hanuman chalisa for almost all problems
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Active - I don't know about the power of mantrams, but a paatti once cured me of jaundice using her needle and mantrams. How she did it I don't know, but she did. It was an amazing experience!2
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- Modern science says that there is no cure for Jaundice. It is a viral infection that just needs to be controlled and over a period of time it will subside. Once a person is infected, he stays infected all through his life.
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- i it curable in ayurveda. there are asadhya types which are incurable.2
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- definitely. the agni is low and one is advised to be on a very light diet. Kanji is best !
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- i know. but the ayurveda text advises kanji as it has a fever reducing property also. And also too much fasting kills the agni further.
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