BSNL and other privatizations under BJP

Narayana Sarma Ghadiyaram Venkata

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BSNL is not in a position to pay salaries to its staff. Thanks to the Government. 
Where goes our desh bhakthi while destroying public sector institutions? 

Sanjay Maharishi

This rot started in Congress times and continues more vehemently with bjp. From retail cooperatives like Superbazar to large PSU like ongc, oil india, to now HAL to city transport like DTC to Doordarshan and MTNL - each systematically destroyed for private players. And these are just the most visible ones.

Aparna Krishnan
Yes its systemic. The Corporate interests rule this country. And we watch the side dramas that the powers that be enact for our entertainment, which this destruction continues at full speed.
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Aparna Krishnan
I have a friend in the bank, and its clear how the bank staff itself is being destroyed through lack of infrastructure and overload.
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Sanjay Maharishi
It's a miracle the railway is still not private.
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Aparna Krishnan
Sanjay Maharishi
https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/.../axe-of...
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Axe of privatisation on Indian Railways: One by one, national jewels are being sold off
Axe of privatisation on Indian Railways: One by one, national jewels are being sold off
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Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan

I heard 66% of the revenues of BSNL go towards paying it's salaries. How can any company operate like this. The only way would be to give control to the management to decide on how they handle their employees - firing them or putting them in other places.

Aparna Krishnan
Which of your corporate banks will function in our village ?? In all villages. Just asking.
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Hariharan Sukumar
Villages are better off without banks
Aparna Krishnan
. That's the reason why people are still together and help each other. Banks by design will disperse society.
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Aparna Krishnan
The present government has made sure everything can only happen through an account. We have little choice in the matter. As in many matters today
The banks are far apart. It's a day, and a days wage gone when one needs to go. The staff is overworked. It's designed to topple.
Waiting to se which corporate bank will step into these cash crunched places.
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Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan

Chinese giants like Huawei on the other hand work at breakneck speed. They fire their employees if they don't work well within 3 months.

Alwar Narayanan
Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan
Has Huwavi helped dueing national disasters, emergency, war and rural areas ? Donot compare a crony capitaliat with a government service. Both are different.
Do you know huwavi has got into espionage and arrests ? They spied on India and was banned foe some time
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Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan
We are talking BSNL, Air India and the like. I work with Huawei. I know some of their activities, not all. The comparison was to draw attention to the way the world is moving and our having to catch up. Government offices cannot function in the current fashion for ever.
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Aparna Krishnan
Government services serve a different agenda. PSBs serve zero balance accounts for instance. To starve them is to simply render services to the poor inaccessible.
They are simply being strangled. And a story of inefficiency us being spun
It is time to see BJP for what it is. A part for the corporate interests. Their story of serving traditional concerns is another fake spin. Apart from a mega statue or two.
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Alwar Narayanan
Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan
The world is moving in right direction. India is however moving in wrong direction. The difference is between healthy capitalism and crony capitalism. This picture summarises all.
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Gangadharan Kumar

A serious question. I am assuming that these are professionally run organization - who plan their cash flow etc.. Also that they have unions and stuff. Where is the accountability of the senior management of these organizations, if they can't make payroll. Even if there is a delay from the government to clear the dues, shouldn't the management (and union) be highlighting these *BEFORE* the issue arises? What am I missing?

Hariharan Sukumar
Gangadharan Kumar
I am not sure about that in case of BSNL but with HAL Govt has to pay HAL around 10k crores. Efforts are taken to show India that HAL cannot pay it's salary how can it do Rafale. Its a systematic attack on PSUs
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Aparna Krishnan

My friend works in a public sector bank. The way all facilities are systematically stalled to make simple works an impossibility is mind boggling. But all this is carefully under wraps.

This is a clear agenda of handing everything over to corporate s.

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Gangadharan Kumar
I remember that thread Aparna. It can't be the case where nobody in the organization (these are large ones) is not held accountable and the "mythical" government is held accountable. Making payroll is job 101 for anybody who runs a company. I run one and if you care 1% for your employees you will run the company so that you make payroll. Please note : I am not saying that the "government" is doing all right. All I am asking for is a semblance of accountablilty / ownership from the senior managements (and the union) in these behemouths. If they can't make payroll, I find it hard to believe they are run efficiently to achieve whatever they plan to achieve.
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Aparna Krishnan
I suggest that for a moment you allow for the possibility that this government is out to pave the way for its corporate friends. Just as a theoretical possibility.
You may then see other possible narratives.
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Aparna Krishnan
We have seen other possible narratives for 70 years. Don't really see how they were better. Personally, I would rather support this government than enabling a hodgepodge of parties with no meaningful agenda to speak of.
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Gangadharan Kumar
if the choice is made prior to exploring this issue, there is little point in exploring it.
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Aparna Krishnan
with you on that. but i thought this thread was about something else; not about whom to support .
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Gangadharan Kumar
please read the first line of the post. The incumbent government needs to answer.
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Gangadharan Kumar
As a supporter of the BJP government, I answered . I think the management has to answer first on how did they miss payroll first. Why is it the job of the government to explain how a company missed payroll?
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Aparna Krishnan
Many flags have been raised. And ignored. Read the letters from those who have resigned for m various senior positions.
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Aparna Krishnan
If you have the links handy, can you share it Aparna (Direct message me please). Thanks.
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Aparna Krishnan
Even yesterday there was one. Will look.
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Aparna Krishnan
Thnx. Will look too.
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Chitra Sharan
Hodgepodge of parties
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Chitra Sharan
Hmm... Wonder why they keep telling that Modi is the fascist and nobody else matters.
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Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan
Ha ha. All of those parties in congress's alliance are pro-poor?? The much hated Ambani flew personally to invite Stalin for his daughter's wedding. If this government is crony capitalist, why is the ease of business going up. Crony capitalism will make doing business harder in general for the not well connected, not easier. Yes this government is pro business and does not seem to believe in bailing out sick PSUs. Why can't these PSUs compete.
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Aparna Krishnan
Please read
Anand Chandolu
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Chitra Sharan
This comparison with previous govt on all issues is flawed. The previous govt was thrown out because they couldn't deliver. The present govt made very tall promises "sab ka saath, sab ka vikas" , to begin with. When they don't deliver and not only that they make things worse by keeping quiet on lynchings, demon etc., people are bound to think the previous one is a known devil and it's financial corruption with them that we can manage by being vigilant, using technology and applying the lessons learnt.
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Aparna Krishnan
The BJP people assume that if we call-out BJP, we are blind support ers of Congress. They don't get that we call out every one, and our only commitment is to the people and to justice.
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Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan
BSNL had to take permission from government body ( DOT: department of telecommunications) for participating in spectrum action. Modi government did not permit BSNL to participate in auction and that is the issue
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Aparna Krishnan
Reg. .that you call out everyone. I know that you do. I don't see many people who do. The activism has been against *this* government and how horrible *this* government has been. We all know that we need to improve on so many fronts. Even the sections that we may be doing well in, we still need to improve. With the disparities prevalent in our country and the # of people we have, a lot of improvement is needed indeed across the board. As long as people keep the cause as the objective and not get into regime bashing, we are all on solid ground.
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Aparna Krishnan
There may be some blind bashing always. That does not make a reaction of blind support tenable. Too much of that all around too.
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Aparna Krishnan
Agreed, but that doesn't rule out people lending any support too. Every administration will have good and bad. I personally believe that there are areas where good has been done and areas where not enough progress has been made. When I look at what alternatives are available, I frankly don't see any. Hence will continue to extend support and question/raise issues where work has to be done. Not doing the latter is not acceptable indeed.
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Chitra Sharan
I know that I dont want lynching and killing and if the other choice is corruption, so be it. As I have said repeatedly, financial corruption can be rooted out (possibilities exist) whereas divisiveness, bigotry and the poison of hatred would be close to impossible to remove from the society. It may seem like blind support for the alternatives, but to me it's a conscious choice. I don't want this govt in its current form with its present ideology to continue. Junaid, Akhlaq, Gauri, Asifa, Kalaburgi, Pansare .. I don't want this list to get longer.
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Hariharan Sukumar

TIFR, HAL, BSNL, BHEL, ONGC, GAIL and many other PSUs are struggling now. They are systematically brought down so that Corporates can buy them for peanuts.

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Gangadharan Kumar
Again - going back to my question. The management of some of these organizations were not even proactive (and did not aggresively pursue to) get funds in to make payroll. They did not do their job. How is that the fault of the "government"? Agree - there may be the overall drift towards privitization. But that's completely besides the point here of the management (and unions) in these organizations not being accountable to something basic as making payroll. When you have this low bar in accountability (which is not being met), there is ample room for inefficiencies which might explain their health in general.
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Anand Chandolu
Many in my family are from BSNL. management has been trying to get funds, get loans from banks, but trai and DOT did not permit BSNL to take loans.
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Anand Chandolu
https://m.economictimes.com/.../articleshow/11556193.cms
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BSNL seeks over Rs 12,000 cr loan for 'survival'
BSNL seeks over Rs 12,000 cr loan for 'survival'
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Anand Chandolu
“The Department of Telecommunication (DoT) is not allowing BSNL to take bank loans to meet its operational expenditures. DoT only allows BSNL to take bank loans for capital expenditure. The stringent condition imposed by DoT restricts the operations of BSNL,” Chakraborty added. https://www.newsclick.in/bsnl-crisis-continues-over-168...
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BSNL Crisis Continues: Over 1.68 Lakh Employees Yet to Receive Salary | NewsClick
BSNL Crisis Continues: Over 1.68 Lakh Employees Yet to Receive Salary | NewsClick
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Aparna Krishnan
Gangadharan Kumar
this gives the picture ?
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Gangadharan Kumar
Thanks for the links
Anand Chandolu
Noticed that the first story is from 2012; so unless we are saying all governments want to run PSUs to the ground, one can't point the finger at just the current government.
Reg. why BSNL is not allowed to take loans to cover Opex - Not sure if it is a new policy or if it is a policy that's always been there. If it is not a new policy, then again, can't point fingers at the current government.
Also, if the company has been struggling for 7 years (based on the links here) to "survive", it shows something fundamentally wrong - right?
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Gangadharan Kumar
Just to clarify - my point is not to say that the current government is right on all aspects. Definitely not. Inefficiences and "wrong" intent may have been prevalent already. My primary point is, why are we not holding the "management" of these giant companies accountable? 'coz that's their job. To run these companies. And if they can't even make payroll, the management deserves to be fired.
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Anand Chandolu
Ok, here you go. Is this wording ok. All the governments including this government are working on killing PSU. So this government is no different from previous governments and things have turned more bad during current regime.
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Gangadharan Kumar
Anand Chandolu
Almost with you but for the last part . In what way has it turned more bad during the current regime?
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Anand Chandolu
Ok glad we agree to a large extent. We should be judging this administration by what it has promised. Isn't it that people voted BJP, to see a turn around. If things are as you say " not worse" than how it was periviously should that be ok. Also should we not CHANELLISE our anger against those who are in power who can change the situation.
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Anand Chandolu
"BSNL employees have announced a three-day nationwide strike demanding allotment of 4G spectrum to the telecom PSU". A Raja did not let BSNL get 3g and this government did not let BSNL get 4g. Employees went on stike seeking BSNL getting 4g. How can a telecom firm survive without getting latestet spectrum. This government is as culpable as previous governments to let situation to come to this level. "https://www.google.com/.../central.../amp-1550068744375.html
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Central trade unions extend support to 3-day strike by BSNL staff
Central trade unions extend support to 3-day strike by BSNL staff
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Sthanunathan Ramakrishnan
Companies compete for spectrum. Why should it be given free for BSNL. What is the point of these union's fights. These unions are a big part of the problem. I have seen them organize strikes against computerization in 1987 !!. They would assemble daily and have slogan shouting just outside the office at 5 pm and then go home.
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Anand Chandolu
A serious question. If BSNL does not have money to make a monthly payroll, how will they have the money to participate in a competitive auction? (Unless obtaining of loans/credit is banned by the government for that purpose).
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Aparna Krishnan
How I wish we had wishtleblowers today. But silence is the word. The whip has been issued. Senior officers have been told that they cannot publicly criticise any of the realities of PSU s. I know that for a fact.
Not everyone has the luxury to resign, and then call the bluff.
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Gangadharan Kumar
Anand Chandolu
reg. judging the current regime based on the promises - absolutely agree that they should be held accountable. Indeed, anger should be channelized to improve the situation. As a supporter of this government (not necessarily the BJP), I believe improvement has been made in a lot of areas and lot of areas need improvement. IMHO, I see this current lot working towards plans that are articulated, see them to be way more sinciere to the cause than any previous government and working quite efficiently. I know they have been very responsive to issues that are highlighted (based on my experience) and consistently strive to improve. Your experience may be different on this. If that's the case we just have to agree to disagree (and each put forth our perspectives - like we are doing now). At the end of the day, as long as all concerned citizens work towards having a better country, for us and our fellow citizens, we are headed in the right direction.
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Anand Chandolu
Ramakrishnan, taking a blanket swipe on any group is unkind and incorret. If today one is enjoying 8 hour work day and weekly off in formal sector it is because of struggles led my unions. Keeping ideologies aside, in context of BSNL, it's unions sought loans and capital infusion. If you have seen the articles, vodaphone and Airtel have loans to tune of 1 lakh crore. Their capital is borrowed. Issue here is govt is blocking it's own legitimate businesses with a high net worth, to take further loan for auctioning for spectrum. That's the root cause of misery
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Anand Chandolu
My comments are not going through
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Gangadharan Kumar
that's exactly the issue, BSNL is yet a high net worth company considering the land parcels, infra, towers and other stuff, so why are their restrictions on it going for a loan. Today's telecom sector is living on data, how can a firm be robbed of an opportunity to acquire spectrum. Vodane and airtel have loans to an extent of 1 lakh crore and extent of BSNL debt is only in tune of 10000 cr
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Gangadharan Kumar
, this govt I think is creating a bubble through fudged numbers and data. One will only know how big the impact of the bubble is when the bubble bursts. Inconvient Unemployment data seems to be hidden, GDP numbers fudged. Mudra loans are a deep hole, even banks are clueless as to what extent they would be able to recover. Leaving Vikas aside, this govt has failed to take everyone along that is more troubling. Through cow vigilantism it has created sense of fear and alienation among muslims, while carrying majoritarian agenda

Alwar Narayanan

Telecom companies have formed a cartel. They are compelling customers to recharge every month. Airlines have formed a cartel. You cannot purchase cheaper tickets. Hotels, Transport, taxi services everyone have formed their own cartels. Malls and super markets also included. Customer cannot escape. His wallet is over drawn even with EMI, loans and other things.

Even schools are cartels. The going rate of fees is 65000/- per years. Tutions are also cartel. They charge 5000 per subject per month and so on..... Hospitals are cartels. You cannot run anywhere to get cheaper service. All are fleecing.

While Govt Subsidies are cut, removed, eliminated, ridiculed and mocked. People cannot run anywhere like rats. They must foot the bill and work till they die.

Aparna Krishnan

The agenda of this government is to finish all government setups, banks or telephone companies, which have as their mandate serving the poor.

The game is clear.

Alwar Narayanan

The agenda was crystal clear even with the government visited Australia immediatly after taking power. No one believed me when I kept writing about those.

I am not sure to what level the Bill-Gates Super Banana has penetrated indian market.

15 Nov 2014: Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday visited the Queensland University of Technology (QUT) in Brisbane, where scientists are busy developing what they call a super banana with better bio-availability of vitamin A and iron. India has a technology transfer agreement with the university, which is working with scientists from a handful of Indian institutes to develop the fortified banana.

Vigneshwaran RK

"if we go by the theory that PSUs are doing a great job at taking care of the poor,then BSNL which is operating in this sector should be serving this need right?. If they are not doing it ,is that the fault of the government too?".

- The indian government would not permit BSNL to take loans for expansion but the private companies such as vodafone, airtel, reliance each have got more than a lakh crore of loans from national banks!.

- The government would not grant 4G spectrum to BSNL but would grant it to private companies!.

- Reliance Jio violates the law of "no more than 3 months of free service in telecommunications" (by extending their free service for another 3 months) !. The DOT(Department of Telecom) secretary gets sacked for appealing to the concerned authorities to take action against the violation! .

- Government wouldn't transfer property rights to BSNL which was promised when it was incorporated in the year 2000.

- Incumbent regimes would sell government owned shares of PSUs or sell all together to private companies. For example, VSNL (Videsh Sanchar Nigam Limited) formed in 1986 was sold to Tata Limited. BSNL faces a similar threat.

An interview with BSNL assistant general secretary

https://youtu.be/8iFLoIpeYgI

மக்கள் சொத்தான BSNLஐ விழுங்கும் அம்பானியின் Jio

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மக்கள் சொத்தான BSNLஐ விழுங்கும் அம்பானியின் Jio

Aparna Krishnan

(via @Rama Murthy) No use blaming Air India , BSNL, ONGC, BHEL.. . PSU's can be only as good as GOI wants them to be. If the goal is to make them fall sick and dispose them off to a private buyer, they can do a good job of it too - and they are doing just that now..

29 March 2016 at 07:39 · 

We all think that internet banking has revolutionized life. For us, the welloff, maybe.

Varalu still walks 4 km to Kommireddigaripalle to the bank, and waits with crowds of other men and women. The Graameena Bank staff is quite understanding as most of the people are illiterate, and they fills up the forms for them. Varalu does not mind that walk at all. What matters to her is having some money in the account. That is what is elusive.

The government which ensures that money and livlihood for the poor gets my vote. Not the government which IT enables a banking system that does not enable most people.

Krishna Kishore Yes the gov must provide support to all not just the few. But I feel its an illusion that there is benefit by having humpty ATMs in just few kms, probably we are missing the peaceful walk which she is taking to the bank away from this polluted urbanisation. No gov can provide that. Happiness is better assured un simple life style.

Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula There is intense resistance amongst bankers in opening rural branches and giving more credit to the rural areas. P Chidambaram when he has Union FM said, repayment rates are much better in rural India and NPAs much lower and he urged banks to open up more branches in rural India. In fact he brought a rule that for every urban branch, they have to open two rural branches. 

This is after nationalisation of banks under Indira Gandhi in 1967. Imagine the situation before that when only a few trading/business communities controlled all banks, meaning all access to financial capital!

I consider Nationalisation of banks one major step in breaking down Varnashramam, the other two being reservations and land ceiling.

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