18 June 2017 at 16:52 ·
(via Sunny Narang)
By gifting the spiritual, cultural , intellectual and social imagination to the Westernised Marxists , Nehru-Gandhi Dynasty led to the decay of the brilliant flowering in the late 19th and early 20th century of an amazing galaxy of men , from Tagore, Gandhi to Vivekananda , Aurobindo and hundreds of more such geniuses . ...
- Rahul Banerjee It has more to do with the hegemony of western thought and polity globally and the comprador nature of indian capitalism as a lackey of global capitalism than with the nehru-gandhi dynasty alone.
Aparna Krishnan Both the Left and the Nehruvian thinking have roots and imagination based on the West. A society had to recover its own roots, its imaginations, its gods. It has to happen, and the beginnings are visible.Hide 28 Replies
Rahul Banerjee it can't do that without a thorough critique of capitalism though!!!
Aparna Krishnan Yes, but the critique beeds to have a basis outside the industrial paradigm, which is what both capitalism and communism are rooted in. Kumaraapa and Dharampals detailing of our own social and production systems and similar learninsgs are where we need our groundings when we seek to to counter modernity and its twin children, the fraternal twins, capitalism and communism.
T.R. Shashwath "Both the Left and the Nehruvian thinking have roots and imagination based on the West."
And most of the right too! :)- Aparna Krishnan Yes, the current dispension worships modernity, and validates tradition by trying to prove it id equal to modernity !!
- T.R. Shashwath It's more fundamental than that - their very narrative is a carbon copy of Western conservatism, just like the very narrative of the left is a xerox of Western liberalism - it's an invasive species transplanted here.
- Aparna Krishnan Yes, what passes for rightwing today. But there is also a deeper process underway today. of seeking roots. Both ground level, abd grounded intellectuals. And that is what is going to change the narrative. The process has started.
- Rahul Banerjee There is a lot going for modernity as it casts a light on the dark areas in our tradition.
- Aparna Krishnan Wrongs in traditional practices have been questioned ever and anon. Kabir, Nanak, Basaba, Buddha, Narayana Guru. We did not need the west to enligten us into its modernity and make us better humans.
The harm that modernity has done in destroying the depths of the oceans and the heights of the stratosphere is there for all to see. - Rahul Banerjee The harm is not due to modernity or science but due to greed which is not a modern trait but as old as civilisation. The traditional indian society is also filled with greed.
- Aparna Krishnan A worldview, a sciece and technology placed in that, is never value free. The direction it grows is defined by the world view of the society that births it. What that society considerd most important, and also what it seeks.
In modern times, modern science and technology stands divorced from religion. Only that which is perceptable to the senses is valid in its axion. So religion is invalid. And man is god,
Untouched by religion, reverence, humility, a sense of ones place is the universe, it grows in the direction of sundueing and mastering all nature. To consider science as an amoral process is the biggest error. To read the texts of ayurveda, and the texts of modern medicine will help one understand. 
Hariharan Sukumar Aparna Krishnan Of late, its dawning to me that no instituion including modernity is wrong per se. Tradition and modernity, capitalism and communism, theism and atheism, in an abstract level thesis and antithesis looks complementary to me. Each has to be applied appropriately, without letting one over power the other..or rather taking extremes. I vaguely feel the key lies in seeing complementarity in seemingly opposite ideologies. I am yet to crystallise on this though. A raw loud thinking!!- Aparna Krishnan I get a sense of what you are saying. Keep me posted on your thoughts as they take form.
- Rahul Banerjee Aparna Krishnan religion is also influenced by worldviews, most of them greedy and obscurantist. Therefore, it is better to look critically at greed and oppression in history as the villains rather than at modernity or religion or tradition.
- Aparna Krishnan 1. Greed and generosity co-exist in the human heart, as do the forces of good and ill. A paradigm that teached limiting desires, and seeking a larger sense of the self is the essence of all religions in my understanding. As man is flawed, every religion will get distorted, and abd corrections will be needed. And so the saints come.
2. As much as one needs to understand oppression, one also needs to understand wordviews. And roots. - Rahul Banerjee The essence of modernism too is rationality which has been there from ancient times. So modernism isnt the bogey horse that needs to be targeted but greed and oppression.
- Hariharan Sukumar Aparna Krishnan Continuing..My reference point on all political matters is Bapu, What would Bapu do in this present context? Will he herald to go back to olden days or will he propel this reckless growth? I don't think he would do both. If we keenly observe Bapu, he has changed his opinions and views on many matters as time passed by? Does that mean he was unclear, No, he was always in dynamic equilibrium and responded appropriately to situations. Having said this, One thing that would not have changed in Bapu is his compassion, love, and truth. So, Gandhi's Talisman will always stands good and could be the right reference point for all political decisions.
- Aparna Krishnan The Talisman, if that was the only thing he had every written, would have done. As a pole star for the rest of us.
The way he reached to the heart of the matter, modernity, roots, everything with a simple unadorned clarity makes all his writings invaluable for all for all time to come.For all those who are seeking.
I think he would not 'go back', but he would definitely seek direction from the realities of the past. He belonged to the people, and his learnings and his directions were rooted thereby. - Rahul Banerjee unfortunately he had an ear for the comprador capitalists who funded him and so he readily compromised on much of his theory in practice😛
- Hariharan Sukumar Aparna Krishnan Spot on..How do u think, he is able to do connect to the roots.. Satya, Prema and Karuna..
- Hariharan Sukumar Rahul Banerjee Gandhiji??? Funded for his personal interest??? That would be the next thing to absolute falsity. From where do you read all these stuffs..
- Aparna Krishnan Hariharan Sukumar, in a nutshell.
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Gandhi chucked his education and traveled around the country and LEARNT from the subaltern, from the masses. That's why he created the narratives he did. - Rahul Banerjee Hariharan Sukumar please read gandhi's own writings. His work was heavily funded by birlas, bajajs, ahmedabad mill owners and the like.
- Rahul Banerjee Aparna Krishnan those travels were funded by the comprador capitalists.
- Aparna Krishnan Gandhi does not need me to defend him. And i will stop with this observation.
Any longterm sustained struggle is funded by the bigger beneficiaries always. In Narmada, the Nimad farmers would have contributed more than the tribals. It is untenable for small public donations to sustain a struggle waged for decades against a mega opponent. - Hariharan Sukumar Rahul Banerjee as far as i read it says..gandhi and birla were friends..and nothing about donations are mentioned..even we assume that he has taken money from birla..do u think he used it for his welfare. And who said gandhi is a leftist by the way..gandhi in my opinion not held any strong ideology..so whats the point u r trying to drive in..you say he is crony and corrupt..
- Rahul Banerjee There is enough evidence that Gandhi was funded by Birla and the like if you care to research. I have not said anywhere that Gandhi was corrupt or a crony but have said that he could not implement his theory of village self rule and instead had to accede to centralised governance and economic organisation for independent india because that is what his funders wanted.
- Aparna Krishnan Hariharan Sukumar money was needed for the freedom struggle, and different groups, rich and poor contributed. I see nothing invalid in that. One needs to act and deliver on the ground. And Gandhi did. Living in the severest austerity himself.
In hindsight, in the comfort of a free nation, it is pleasent pasttime to sit and dissect and critique him. To each their own. - Rahul Banerjee Funding always determines political outcomes and in Gandhi's case the influence of the huge funding by the comprador capitalists on his actual political practice was telling. Similarly the CPI has been hamstrung by the fact that it was funded by Stalinist USSR.
Jagga Lalgudy Brilliant post upto the point and then loses its value by saying " from Tagore, Gandhi to Vivekananda , Aurobindo and hundreds of more such geniuses . .."- Aparna Krishnan they were all rooted, in different ways and to different degrees. As also Bharati, Premchand and many many otehrs.
Sethuraman Pasupathy I came across an interesting link, an interview with a marx interpreter enunciating what went wrong with us as a country during and post independence....
Its in tamil.
http://writersamas.blogspot.com/2018/06/blog-post.html
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