Why are the Indians, especically the educated Hindus, ashamed of
their identity. I have always admired the Muslims for standing by the symbols
of their religion and practices without defensiveness.
Ajay
Balachandran
... as a person who worked in MNC for years, I could see the moral decline of Hindu values among the youth, I have seen for years how Hindus used to wipe out the religious Marks of sandal wood paste and Kumkum on foreheads before entering the office, those were seen as a stigma on the corporate life but I have seen Muslims wearing their religious caps, women burkha clad, some praying five times, all of them fasting and occasionally going out to spit
... as a person who worked in MNC for years, I could see the moral decline of Hindu values among the youth, I have seen for years how Hindus used to wipe out the religious Marks of sandal wood paste and Kumkum on foreheads before entering the office, those were seen as a stigma on the corporate life but I have seen Muslims wearing their religious caps, women burkha clad, some praying five times, all of them fasting and occasionally going out to spit
Aparna Krishnan Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula, does the Dravidian movement contribute to this ? Indians
feeling ashamed of Indian ways, will also mean their looking down on ordinary
people who exist in indian ways ?
Komakkambedu
Himakiran Anugula Dravidian movement took on the Vedic religion and oppression of
the caste system.
Karthikeya
Sivasenapathy Dravidian movement was never against God only few leaders but
was against cultural nationalism propogated by right wing ideology ...
Dravidian parties were against Ramayana but Not against family deity kula
deivam, Muruga or maruaman or karuparayan etc
Aparna Krishnan That is also a
limited understanding. Because in my village (an SC village) the Bharatam is
the anchor of culture. That is the Mahabharatam, and therefore Krishna is
revered as Krishnamurthy. To revile Gods like rama and Krishna and to celebrate
gods like Gangamma does not fit into a true village understanding.
Komakkambedu
Himakiran Anugula Haha, Dravidian movement has nothing to do with
"Hindus" shunning prayers and religious paraphernalia.
We are more rooted than the completely westernised crowd. We are open to taking good things from the west but not at the cost of our own values.
We are more rooted than the completely westernised crowd. We are open to taking good things from the west but not at the cost of our own values.
Komakkambedu
Himakiran Anugula If you look at the ones who shun wearing their religion on their
sleeve it's mostly people who hate Dravidian movement too!
Aparna Krishnan I see. If those
in the movement are atheists, do they look down on theists ? That is one
problem I have with atheism. Very often its not just a personal position, but
often carries with it a baggage of superiority over the ordinary people (like
my village people !) who are religious. The superiority of being more
scientific and rational. Yes, I understand that its the westernized crowd that
is the primary problem.
Aparna Krishnan Here maybe. In
general today 'science' and 'modernity' is the superiormost religion. And
therefore the religious are seen as mildly superstitious !! I have walked all
those roads and I know that from myself, and also from the circles i have been
part of ...
Komakkambedu
Himakiran Anugula Science and Religion are played against each other just like the
Middle Ages in Europe.
But here scientific pursuit was founded in religious and spiritual thinking.
But here scientific pursuit was founded in religious and spiritual thinking.
Aparna Krishnan yes. but not
the modern, scientific, western educated indian. they have bought the western
dichotomy of science and religion wholesale. it is that atheist i am speaking
of.
Komakkambedu
Himakiran Anugula I must warn you though, there is a lot of Dravidian literature
that was/is virulently atheist.
Aparna Krishnan i actually have
to yet see an atheist from the local, vernacular, indian people ! every village
in rooted in religion in a myriad different ways. only after long years in a
village did i even understand this. in my initial years i went raving against t...See More
Komakkambedu
Himakiran Anugula It's virulently anti centralized religion aka Vedic or Hindutva.
Never had a problem with the Ammans or Murugans
Aparna Krishnan That is another
point I have mentioned before. The village people in their deep self assurance,
as opposed to a certian insecurity of the educated indian, are able to
incorporate everything - balaji and vinayaka to gangamma and munishwarudu -
seamless...See More
Aparna Krishnan History needs
to be faced, understood, debated, and then the present dealt with based on the
past omissions and commissions. And then one needs to accept that a part of it
is really History !
Komakkambedu
Himakiran Anugula If you talk to any Dravidian movement supporter, they'll be
ready to debate but Hindutva types will dismiss dissent.
Aparna Krishnan Yes, it does
seem like that. I would not have been allowed to sustain such a conversation in
a Hindutva forum !
Komakkambedu
Himakiran Anugula Read the book Asura; it depicts Dravidians aka Asuras as
argumentative, that much is true!
Aparna Krishnan In another
thread I was just told 'What kind of an indian are you' by a rank stranger !,
when I just mentioned that I do not support Modi, but support Indianness.
Aparna Krishnan I quit that thread
after that one comment. one needs to know when discretion is the better part of
valour.
Siva Vats Do other
religions have ashramas? Rituals change in each ashrama. In sanyasaashrama all
the rituals are given up. Not all grahastas take up even vaanaprsthaashrama let
alone sannyasa. In ashrama of Macaulay's indian schools and subordinate
services und...See More
Naveen Manikandan Periasamy Beg to disagree Aparna Krishnan. I would say
that the westernized crowd is slightly better and amenable to reason than those
muslims who have completely taken to the regressive Arab way of life. Before a
decade or two Indian Muslims, while remaining staunch believers in their
Islamic faith, adopted the indian cultural expressions like the Bindhi and
Sari, but today they have been brainwashed to wear the Burqa and follow a more
radicalized Wahabbi/Salafi brand of Islam. I don't see why adopting one foreign
culture(western) is inferior to adopting another culture(Arab/Islamic). Infact,
the latter is much more dangerous than the former. I think one should look at
these things dispassionately, rather than trying to be politically correct.
Aparna Krishnan I find the
Muslim closer to us that the westerner ! I have no need to be correct to anyone
except myself smile emoticon
Naveen Manikandan Periasamy Yes, the Dargha
going muslims and many Keralite muslims are well integrated. But, that is
changing fast with Saudi oil money inflow. If you think that the hardline,
fundamentalist muslims, like the 'shirk abolition' conference organizers in TN
are closer to us, you couldn't be more wrong.
Aparna Krishnan so we will
question them also. But westernization creates such a disdain for things
indian, that i want none of that.
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