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When that debate was going on, Winston Churchill made a concerted attack on the labour Prime Minister Clement Attlee. He said: "We built the glory of the British Empire for 150 years and you surrendered to Gandhi, who has no arms, no bullets, no guns and no ammunition."
Attlee gave him a fitting reply. Sometimes we do not understand our own history. Someone else has to teach it to us. Attlee narrating the history said: "Mr. Churchill, it is true that we quit India but we quit with grace. Are you under the impression that our Empire survived in India for 150 years on the strength of Indian people? We were there on the strength of the Navy and the army." While replying to Winston Churchill Attlee said: "The Royal Indian Navy's revolt in 1946 and the formation of the INA under the leadership of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, though not blessed by Gandhi, were the consequences of the patriotic mass awakening that Gandhi had created. It was thus clear that we could no more rely on the army and the navy to sustain our empire in India. When that became a reality, it was better to quit with grace."
When that debate was going on, Winston Churchill made a concerted attack on the labour Prime Minister Clement Attlee. He said: "We built the glory of the British Empire for 150 years and you surrendered to Gandhi, who has no arms, no bullets, no guns and no ammunition."
Attlee gave him a fitting reply. Sometimes we do not understand our own history. Someone else has to teach it to us. Attlee narrating the history said: "Mr. Churchill, it is true that we quit India but we quit with grace. Are you under the impression that our Empire survived in India for 150 years on the strength of Indian people? We were there on the strength of the Navy and the army." While replying to Winston Churchill Attlee said: "The Royal Indian Navy's revolt in 1946 and the formation of the INA under the leadership of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, though not blessed by Gandhi, were the consequences of the patriotic mass awakening that Gandhi had created. It was thus clear that we could no more rely on the army and the navy to sustain our empire in India. When that became a reality, it was better to quit with grace."
large collections of articles on and by gandhi on various issues, relevance of gandhi
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My
village is an SC village. Whern they migrate to Tirupathi due to
drought, they work in Sulabh toilets. The Sulabh is manned exclusively
by SCs.
Happy Republic Day.
Happy Republic Day.
Velmurugan Balasubramanian So, you mean unhappy republic day!
Arun Tamilah real republic
Zakeena Seethi But you believe in division of labour, castewise...rt?
Aparna Krishnan There
are many dimensions ma. SC is a blot on Hindusim, the caste system and
the country. The jaits, the communities are are vaster reality of this
country, which cannot be wished away, and need not be also in my
opinion. Every country will form smaller
sects always. As regards a potter community protecting the living the
skill of pots, the weaver community similarly - there is a logic. The
skill that can only be passed down though childhood and youth is
protected, and also there an employment security in society thus. A
weaver child who badly wants to be a potter or a brass atrisan i am sure
could and should have been able to. But that is a theory only only - as
modernity with schooling as an end-all has destroyed all these. And
industrilization has made all these unviable untterly, and in a
generation all these will be lost.
Aparna Krishnan I see the SC issue, and the larger network of jatis as seperate concerns.
Zakeena Seethi To think we still have manual scavenging ... 
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Shyamala Sanyal What is the solution.
Aparna Krishnan if i knew i would not be wasting time writing out it on FB - i'd be out there !!
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Gowri Shankar R Mam- we shud stop tagging them based on caste. Why shud we identify them based on their religion or caste which are not their choices?
TN Seshan too said in an interview. When he had contested the presidential election against KRNarayanan, media n others were just describing him as Dalit when he an intellect had a lot of other professional qualities to his credit. When we are fighting against discrimination, we shud be the first to stop categorizing a section as SC or Dalit.
TN Seshan too said in an interview. When he had contested the presidential election against KRNarayanan, media n others were just describing him as Dalit when he an intellect had a lot of other professional qualities to his credit. When we are fighting against discrimination, we shud be the first to stop categorizing a section as SC or Dalit.
Aparna Krishnan Aparna Krishnan The dalit reality has to be faced and accepted. A dalit poor faces far worse than a Reddy poor. After all affirmative action to undo generations of mischeif has been taken - after that we can ignore it !
Gowri Shankar R It is they who take the pain.. I admit they face discrimination n are abused. We saying repeatedly that they are SCs n Dalit is like rubbing salt in a wound. A human irrespective of the section he or she is, cleaning the toilets is highly condemnable n deplorable.
Aparna Krishnan Affirmative action.
Arun Tamilah gowri sir u r right
Gowri Shankar R Our affirmative action shouldn't be at the cost of others who are already deprived and disadvantaged.
Palanivelu Rangasamy Gowri Shankar R You mean to say that the Gandhi should be condemned. The problem is not with the act. But if that action is done only by a particular social group, we have not yet escaped from the tentacles of caste system.
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Jagga Lalgudy If SC's stop cleaning it, then the stench will force the FC's to come and clean it on their own.
Aparna Krishnan They need two meals a day. This is the option. We have pushed them to the wall.
Jagga Lalgudy Yeah, by stopping the cleaning for just two days will force the others to pay more or will force them to come clean it on their own.
Jagga Lalgudy Siva Vats Very good idea!
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Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula When Govt sanitation worker jobs were exclusively reserved for a few "SC" communities in Maharashtra or Gujarat, there was no uproar against it by the "meritocracy" crowd which doesn't miss an opportunity to target the reservation system otherwise!
That itself is the biggest reason why we need reservations. Our PM is on record having said that Valmikis should consider their work service to God!
That itself is the biggest reason why we need reservations. Our PM is on record having said that Valmikis should consider their work service to God!
Aparna Krishnan cant he be charged for that !
Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula Is that the only thing he can be charged with? Media decided what he can be charged with, and see who owns media houses and who sits as editors!
Aparna Krishnan What is the caste profile of media house ownership ? Editorship I can guess.
Komakkambedu Himakiran Anugula Baniyas or Brahmins especially Delhi/Mumbai cartel. There are a few owned by others but targeted and bought out.
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